The Long and The Short Of It

Episode 200 - Ask Us Anything

Transcript:

Jen: Hello, Pete.

Pete: Oh my gosh, hello, Jennifer Waldman. We did it, two hundred episodes of The Long and The Short Of It.

Jen: Woohoo, Episode 200.

Pete: Congratulations.

Jen: Congratulations to you, too. Can you believe it?

Pete: Not really. It's like, you know, we were saying just before we recorded, on one hand, it feels like Episode 2. And on one hand, it feels like Episode 200,000.

Jen: It's so true. But I have to say, it's been a very enjoyable journey this far. I'm looking forward to the next two hundred episodes.

Pete: Me too. Me too. Another two hundred, there's a fun little benchmark. So I guess for this episode, we shared in the lead up that we are going to do an AMA, which stands for Ask Me Anything. But there's two of us, so I guess it's an Ask Us Anything.

Jen: An AUA.

Pete: An AUA. We probably should have just called it an AUA.

Jen: Right?

Pete: But alas, here we are. And our generous, amazing, wonderful listeners...hey, listeners, thanks for tuning in once again. Many of you have submitted some great, great, great questions. We have so many. And we're going to do our best to get through as many as possible. So Jen, if you'd like to do the honors, for the two-hundredth time...

Jen: This is The Long and The Short Of It.

Jen: Before we dig into these questions, Pete, I want to say that our listeners are so freaking brilliant. We got such juicy questions. So before we hit record, Pete and I, we went through the questions and we pulled out the ones that are going to become their own episode. Because there were so many juicy questions, we were like, "We can't answer that one in two minutes, but could definitely spend twenty on that." So if you don't hear your question answered today, it's very likely that it will show up as its own special episode in the future.

Pete: Yes. So thank you, everyone who submitted questions. And I guess we're just going to pick one by one. We're going to ping-pong back and forward. We'll do our best to answer as succinctly as possible, and hopefully add some insight into some of these great questions.

Jen: Oh, one more thing. We prepared nothing. We did a very quick scan of the questions, literally five minutes before we hit record. This is all improv, baby.

Pete: Which is...it's The Long and The Short Of It, it's what we do. We've never prepared anything for two hundred episodes, why start now?

Jen: Okay. So Pete, here is a question from Jasper. "When was the last time you changed one of your deeply held beliefs, perhaps even one you'd consider core to your identity? And what was it?"

Pete: Just kicking off with a nice, light, easy question.

Jen: Right?

Pete: Okay. In the interest of time, I'm going with the first thing that comes to my head when I answer these questions. So the first thing that comes to my head (this is a great question) is, I guess most recently, it's probably to do with marriage, funnily enough.

Jen: Uh-huh.

Pete: So I guess I would have told you five years ago, four years ago even, maybe even three years ago, that I didn't necessarily see marriage in my future as something that I would get excited about, or feel the need to do, to be wed. And yet, I stand before you, I sit before you with a ring on my finger and an unbelievable wife, Tracey, who is now Tracey Shepherd. And it's been one of the best changes of my mind/revisiting of my beliefs that I could possibly fathom. So, I guess that's the most recent and the most beautiful example of one time that I've recently changed my beliefs. What about you, Jen? When have you changed your most deeply held beliefs?

Jen: This one I'm finding very challenging. I guess it's because of the pandemic, that I had to challenge this deeply held belief. But I really felt, to my core, that I could never live anywhere other than the greatest city in the world, New York City. And then during the pandemic, I ended up living on a remote island in Massachusetts. And recently, my daughter has informed me that when she grows up, she's going to be moving to California. So, who knows? Who knows? I am no longer going to solely see myself living in New York City. Instead, maybe I'll be like a woman of many states. We'll see.

Pete: Ooh, I love it. Or countries...come to Australia. That actually ping-pongs to another question from one of our listeners/my wife, Tracey.

Jen: Aww, Tracey.

Pete: Thank you for submitting this question. Tracey would like to know...maybe she's asking you a question that she hasn't asked me, that she wants me to answer on a podcast. "If you could live anywhere in the world, Jen, for one year, where would it be?"

Jen: Well, funny enough, I love this question. And I can envision myself living many places for one year, contrary to the answer I just gave. But if I could live anywhere for one year...it's not necessarily that adventurous, but I really deeply, deeply want this and I know my husband does too. I would go live in London for a year.

Pete: Mmm. Hmm. Nice. Yeah, I could definitely see you in London...especially with that great British accent that you've got.

Jen: Stop it.

Pete: We'll have to put a link to the outtakes in our Box O' Goodies. Somewhere, there's an outtake of you doing a British accent. I'm going to pop that in the Box O' Goodies.

Jen: Okay, wait, just sidebar. When I was an actor, I had a really good British dialect, which I had like trained to do. And now, it sounds more like I'm making fun of it. What has happened to me?

Pete: Not sure. Things change, I guess. Okay, I would be in a similar area, which is fun. I think that...I mean, like you said, I think I could almost live anywhere for a year. But I would go with my, I guess, probably recency bias. I would live in Italy for a year, in a heartbeat, and eat all of the pasta and pizza and gelato, and enjoy trying to communicate in my broken, very broken awful Italian, and just soaking up the sun and the Tuscan hills. And, ah, I love Italy so much. So I would go and live in Tuscany, in a heartbeat, for a year.

Jen: Love that. I will be coming to visit you there. Okay, we've got a question from Mickey. Oh, P.S.: Mickey has, I think, found our podcast in recent months, and has been so communicative and wonderful and generous and has provided a lot of feedback and has shared a lot of episodes. So thanks, Mickey. And thanks for this question.

Pete: Mickey gave us a shout out on the Akimbo podcast. So thanks, Mickey.

Jen: Yeah, let's drop that in the Box O' Goodies so everyone can hear it. Thanks, Mickey, for that. Okay, here's Mickey's question. "Dropping the 'um’s'...this is something myself and others in my business struggle with, and you two are phenomenal about it. How did you train yourselves so well? I'm considering handing others an electric shock to zap me every time I do it, but that might be a bit extreme."

Pete: I don't think you need the electric shock. But I think that you need the discomfort of silence.

Jen: Yep.

Pete: I think that...I'm sure I learned this from Seth. There's actually a blog post where he writes about this, which I will put in the Box. This is going to be a big Box O' Goodies.

Jen: Yeah, it is.

Pete: I'm going to put that in the Box. It's going to be a big Box O' Goodies. But as far as I recall, Seth's instruction (and I've spoken to him about this) is basically to replace "um" with silence. And that the reason we say "um" or "ah" is usually because we're trying to think, so we're filling in the silence while we're trying to think. And so, the alternative is to think in silence. Which isn't as uncomfortable as getting an electric shock, I imagine, but it is, for many people, quite uncomfortable to sit in silence. So part of that, I think, is practicing slowing down and sitting in silence. And once you've kind of gotten your head around that, then I think it's just the boring answer of getting as many reps in as possible. I think having a podcast where you record an impromptu conversation and are required to think on the spot two hundred times is a big contributor as to why we perhaps sound like we are...I think you very generously said we're phenomenal at it...but why we're okay at not saying "um", I think it's because we practice all the time. What do you think?

Jen: Everything you just said. I have nothing to add. That pretty much summed it up: slow down and silence.

Pete: [long pause] I was just, did you see what I did there? I was adding some silence. I didn't want to say "um". Okay, so this one's from Anonymous. So Anonymous asks, "In a parallel universe where you never met, what do you think would be different about your lives now?"

Jen: Ohhhh.

Pete: Wild.

Jen: I don't like that parallel universe.

Pete: I know. Me neither, me neither.

Jen: Oh my gosh. It's so hard to imagine. Because I don't know that we talk about this that much on the show, but Pete and I started out as people doing a podcast together, and over the course of...what is it, four years at this point?

Pete: Yeah.

Jen: We've become like the best of friends. We're very, very close. We know everything. We tell each other everything. I think my daughter even considers Pete like part of the family.

Pete: Aww.

Jen: So, I can't even really imagine the life path. I'm sure I would have a different friend.

Pete: They may or may not be Australian.

Jen: Right. And someone else...that I'd be collaborating on something with someone. But I, gosh, I'm very resistant to answering this question. And that's my answer.

Pete: Yeah. It's wild to think about. Because so much of the life that I live now and the work that I do now, I can draw a pretty straight line back to the moment that you and I met, in some way.

Jen: Yeah.

Pete: Like, there's a connective tissue between that moment where we met in altMBA and almost everything that I do now. Because you...I don't even know if I've ever said this on the podcast. You were the reason, in the end, that I had the confidence to start my own business, as opposed to coaching on the side of working in a full-time job, which is what I did when I first met you. And at some point, you gave me enough nudges and introduced me to some people, very generously, who ultimately ended up becoming clients. And that kind of kick-started, four years ago, my transition from doing a little bit of coaching on the side, to, "I have a business now. And coaching is one service that I offer." So, that is like literally part of every day. So to imagine you and I not meeting, and for us to not have that conversation...I don't know, I guess I'd be perhaps working in a company still. And as a result, potentially quite unhappy. And, yeah. It's, I don't know, it's wild to think about, and a little sad.

Jen: It really is. I know, I'm like, "I'd be miserable and sad because I hadn't met Pete. That's the parallel universe." Okay. Well, we didn't quite answer that one. But that's as good as that one's going to get. Okay, how about this one from Rien? "I'd love to hear your definition of 'meta'. It entered my vocabulary through listening to you two. And whilst I looked it up in various dictionaries, none of them seem to fit the context of The Long and The Short Of It." Okay, Pete. So when we say something's "meta", what do you mean?

Pete: It's so funny. Because I was about to say, I don't know if I...perhaps I'm not using it correctly. And then, in his question, he said that he referred to a dictionary, which makes me think I'm definitely not using it correctly. However, the easiest way that my brain thinks about "meta" is the movie Inception. And so in the movie Inception, there is this concept of having a dream within a dream within a dream, I think it is. So it's like, you're experiencing the thing that you're experiencing within the thing itself, if that makes sense.

Jen: Yes.

Pete: And so, that is how I think about "meta". So if we are having a conversation about what it might be like to do an AMA episode as part of an AMA episode, to me, I would be like, "That's kind of meta," because it's relevant to the thing that we're actually doing. Does that make any sense?

Jen: Yes.

Pete: Okay.

Jen: And you actually used the words that I would use to describe what I think we mean when we say "meta", which is "the thing itself".

Pete: Right.

Jen: It's in and of itself.

Pete: Yeah.

Jen: Self-referential.

Pete: Ooh, I like that. Self-referential. And I'm glad to hear that it's eeking its way out into our listeners vocab, as well.

Jen: It's funny, we started saying "meta" at some point...like we never said it, and then we started saying "meta", and now we've never stopped. So, there we go.

Pete: Now it comes up every episode, yeah. Okay. I have one here that I want to hear your answer to, because I feel like it will be brilliant. So, this comes from Stephanie. And the question is, "You both talk about being a 'creative'," in air quotes, "and speaking to 'creatives'," in air quotes, "and I'm curious, how do you even define a 'creative'? How does that term show up?" So Jen, how do you think about, how do you define "creative"? First, I

Jen: First, I want to define air quotes.

Pete: Wait, are they...are they not a thing?

Jen: Which, you would need to do with your fingers. But in this case, the quotes are on the page, so they're not air quotes.

Pete: Alright, alright, alright. They're literal quotes.

Jen: Oh my gosh, that made me laugh. When we talk about being a "creative", I think it's easier to start with what we're not talking about. We are not talking about people who are creative, because I think we both inherently believe that everybody has creativity. But what we are talking about is a person who identifies themselves by their creativity, by the things that they create, or by the fact that people pay them to make things. And sometimes, those things are tangible. And sometimes, those things are ideas. But that they are a person whose creativity is baked into their sense of identity.

Pete: I like that. Yeah. I would add, I think of creativity in the same way that I think of leadership. In that, it is an active choice available to everyone that you can choose to be a leader, just as you can choose to be a "creative". It doesn't require, I don't think, a genetic predisposition to anything. I think it's a skill, I guess is what I'm saying, that one can hone and get better at, and choose to hone and get better at, and like you said, choose to then identify with. It doesn't mean that you have to. It doesn't mean that you will. But I think it's available to you. And you know, in the same way that within a company, there are people in leadership positions that might not consider themselves leaders, I think there's probably people in creative positions that maybe don't consider themselves "creatives". And then, the inverse is true. I think there's people who aren't in leadership positions who are definitely leaders, and people who are maybe not in traditionally creative roles (like being a business manager) who are in fact really creative. So, I don't know, I guess I add to your distinction that I think creativity, like leadership, is a choice, and something that can be practiced and honed as a skill.

Jen: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And I think when I say "working with creatives" on this podcast, I'm typically referencing my clients. Who, that is what they do for a living, is they do "creative" work. They are actors, writers, directors, musicians, people whose work falls under a creative umbrella. And to Pete's point, I also have some clients, who I coach on speaking and such, who don't necessarily identify as "creative", but they're coming to me to work on creativity.

Pete: Mmm, I like that.

Jen: Okay, here's a question from Laura. "Let's just say you've had a few weeks off for the first time in a long time. You've returned to work for yourself,-" okay, so this person is self-employed, "-and this work is something you were super passionate about before you left for vacation. But now, the spark has gone? How do you motivate yourself to get it back?" Well, Pete, you just got back from multiple weeks of vacation, so maybe you're the best person to answer this.

Pete: I feel a little called out by this question, especially when I think about...you know, I've been back from our trip for three weeks. And three weeks ago, you and I sat down to try and record a podcast, and it was a total mess. Because I didn't, I don't think I had the spark. So it feels very relevant to me, at the moment. And I guess I would go to this idea of motivation, and how...I just think motivation is such a fickle concept. Like if we sit around and wait until we're motivated to do something, we'll be sitting around and waiting for a long time, I think. We'll be procrastinating for a long time, waiting for motivation to happen. In the same way that, you know, people talk a lot about flow state as being that really profound moment where you lose track of time because you're so encapsulated by and present with the project you're working on, and you reach this state of flow. And I think if we sit around and wait for flow, we'll be sitting around and waiting forever, because I don't think it's something that comes before the act itself. So all of that to say, I think we get motivation, we reach a state of flow by starting. Which is such an unsexy answer, I recognize, Laura. And I'm like dealing with this myself. We eventually got back into a groove of recording podcasts, by starting and recording podcasts. The first two of which, we said, "They were terrible. Let's throw them on the cutting room floor and try again." And so, we didn't sit around and I said, "Jen, now I'm feeling motivated. Now we can record." We found the motivation and the groove and the flow by starting. So I think it's this like unsexy answer, Laura, which is to show up and do the work. And then, the momentum and the motivation and the flow will come. At least, that's been my experience.

Jen: I think that's such a wise answer. The only thing I would add is that when we have these amazing experiences of going somewhere and experiencing something new (a new culture, a new idea, a new learning), I find, for myself, what's hard about coming back is I don't know yet if there's room for the new version of me with all of this new experience, in the way I left my work.

Pete: Yeah.

Jen: So it's like, "How do I bring these new ideas? How do I make room for the new questions? Or in some cases, new priorities?" Sometimes you leave work for a little while and you're like, "Well, my priorities are just way out of whack."

Pete: Yeah, or you come back married.

Jen: Right. Or in your case, you come back married. So, it's making room for the new information, in the work.

Pete: Hmm. Yeah. I like that. I like that. So, we're entering unknown territory for us. In that, we're going to record this episode a little longer than our usual twenty minute time constraint. So, shall we keep going?

Jen: We shall. Okay, Pete, here's a question from Jackie. "Congratulations on 200." Thank you, Jackie.

Pete: Thank you.

Jen: "How do you stay inspired for new content, week after week? Each episode is so unique. How do you do that?"

Pete: Wow. I mean, thank you, first and foremost, Jackie. It's so...it's quite nice to see that reflected back. Because honestly, Jackie, being in it, it feels like I haven't come up with a new idea for a podcast for a hundred and forty five episodes.

Jen: I completely agree with you.

Pete: Isn't that wild? To hear that you think that each week is so different is so nice, because that is what we hope. But my feeling, in it, is like, "I'm sure we've had this conversation a hundred and forty seven other times." Which I realize doesn't quite answer your question, I guess. How do we stay inspired for new content week after week? How do we come up with new content week after week? You know, we have a...usually, I would say we have a twenty to thirty minute catch up before each time we record, where we check in on, "So, what's been happening in your week? What projects are you working on? What conversations have you had? Oh, a client said this thing? I'm reading this book." And then, I think for me, often through that conversation of almost reflecting on what's happened over the last week, I'll realize, "Oh, yeah. That thing did happen this week. Eh, we could probably turn that into an episode." But (and it's a big but) usually, Jackie, we have this hilarious back and forward of, "I think I have a quarter of an episode, or I have a twentieth of an episode. Let's see if we can turn it into a full one." And you're like, "I have a quote that I read in a book. Maybe we could turn it in to an episode." So it often starts as this tiny little seed, and we basically, over the course of a conversation, we try and turn it into a sprout or a flower. And yeah, at times, it feels like we're having the same conversation over and over. So, I appreciate this question and that reflection.

Jen: [laughing] I'm just laughing because there have literally been times where I'll say, "Do you have anything?" And you go, "I have a word."

Pete: It's so true.

Jen: Oh my gosh.

Pete: One word.

Jen: I think, Jackie, Pete and I are both really lucky that we work with a lot of different people. And so, often, the conversations that we have prior to recording are about our clients. So we get a lot of inspiration from other people and things that we're watching them unpack and go through and experience, and then, you know, either just as an observer and sometimes as a coach, it's like, "Ooh, that feels kind of juicy."

Pete: Yeah. I think the only other thing I would add to it is, I...you know, we mention Seth Godin a lot. I've learned so much from him. I consider him a mentor. And one of the things that he's spoken about, about his blog...so he writes a daily blog, and has done so for like maybe over twenty years or something absurd.

Jen: Crazy.

Pete: And it's like, "How do you keep coming up with content, Seth? Like, how is that possible?" And he says, "I notice things for a living." So for me, I found that quite a profound lens to look through life, of like, "What have I noticed and what have I observed in the last week?" And just trying to stay open to seeing things that maybe I'm not seeing, if I'm not paying attention. So yeah, that's kind of how we do. But I also, like we've mentioned, feel like we're not coming up with new ideas sometimes. Okay, so we have a few more to get through. I feel like we're doing a good job here. We're getting through as many as possible. Alright. We have a question from our incredible editor, Jen, Sarah Nichols. Can we just give a shout out to Sarah Nichols? What a legend.

Jen: Yay, Sarah!

Pete: Dealing with our shenanigans, like, "Sarah, I know you edited that episode perfectly, but we realized that it's terrible and we're going to put it on the cutting room floor. Yeah, so..."

Jen: "Yep. So sorry about that. Sorry, Sarah."

Pete: "Sorry, Sarah," is the most quoted phrase on this whole podcast. Okay. Sarah asks, "When you realize you've been hiding from something you're afraid of, what strategies do you use to propel yourself toward action?" I love/hate this question.

Jen: So, I'll go first...so that's one of the strategies, is like, just go. Just go.

Pete: Hmm.

Jen: We've talked about this in the past, that, Pete, you gave me this great expression, which was, "Run towards the bang." And I think that was very soon after we met, you said that to me. And I have found myself coming back to that over and over again, that when I feel that pang of fear that makes me want to turn away, instead I go, "Ah, run toward the bang." So, face the fear. The other thing is that I have a saying at my studio, which is, "I'm an artist, therefore I choose faith over fear." And I've found it really helpful to recognize that stopping because of fear is a choice, and that I have a different choice that I can make. So, the choice I make is faith: faith in myself, faith in the idea, faith in the project, faith in the collaborator, faith that I'll survive, whatever that might be.

Pete: Yeah. Yeah, I love that answer. And the reason I love/hate this question is, on one hand, I find the answer kind of simple, but it's also incredibly difficult at the same time. So the answer is simple in that my assertion, and you kind of alluded to it then, is the thing that separates those that make stuff happen and those that don't could be almost distilled down to the amount of times they were willing to be uncomfortable and face their fear. And so, in many ways, the answer is simple in that it's, like you said, "Run towards the bang and do the thing you're afraid of." If you just made that your habit, you would go a long, long, long way, I think, in whatever field that you're in. If you did the thing that was scary to you, I think you would live quite a fulfilling life. However, that is so difficult to do. It's such an impossible standard to almost hold yourself to, because humans get afraid. And when we're afraid, we hide, and we retreat, and we try and find safety. So yeah, it's like easy and hard. And I think tactically, what do I do? I think I tell someone, and I try and put myself on the hook, is my answer, Sarah. If I recognize that I'm afraid and I'm hiding from something, I will attempt to put myself on the hook to addressing it. And I'll do that by either telling Jen or another friend, and maybe even in doing so, asking them to check in with me on how I'm going with that thing or giving them a date to say, "Okay. By this time next week, I'm no longer allowed to be talking about this thing, because it's going to be done." So yeah, I think I attempt to put myself on the hook, is how I would tackle that.

Jen: Okay, Pete. Well, I feel like this next question from...I want to say Anonymous, but actually, in the "What's your name," fill-in-the-blank, the person wrote, "Absolutely Not." So from Absolutely Not, "Have you ever had your heart broken?"

Pete: I mean, yeah. Well, I'm curious for your answer, but I feel like it would be difficult to reach your thirties and not have had your heart broken in some way. Whether that's in the traditional movie context of a romantic heartbreak, or whether that's, you know, missing out on a school or a job that you really had your heart set on and that becomes a heartbreak, or whether it's, you're a fanatical fan of a particular sports team and they lost the big game and that's your heartbreak. I think I would tick all of the above boxes, in terms of heartbreaks I've experienced. And perhaps the other one, the one that I find really difficult is the heartbreak of your own doing.

Jen: Mm-hmm.

Pete: In the sense that, maybe if you tie back to the question that Sarah asked, maybe I hid from something for so long and told myself a story to avoid doing something difficult, whether it be ending a relationship or having a tough conversation or, you know, submitting a project, and I told myself or justified inaction. And then, something happened that would either end that project or end that relationship or end that particular application. And the heartbreak, for me, has been realizing that I was hiding the whole time. I think that's the like, that's the through-line in all of the heartbreak...except for when a sports team loses, because like I have no control over that. For me, it's like the heartbreak of lying to yourself, is quite messy.

Jen: Yeah.

Pete: So yeah, I think I've experienced that plenty of times. What about you, Jen?

Jen: I mean, if it's impossible to get to your thirties without experiencing heartbreak, it's impossible to get to forty-seven without experiencing heartbreak. I mean, yes, all kinds of heartbreak. Some that are very easy to recover from, and some that, you know all these years later, I still think about from time to time. And yes, of course, in the romantic sense. But also, to your point, in so many different ways: performances that I gave that I didn't feel particularly proud of, where I broke my own heart because I knew I could do better, or experiences that I missed, or loved ones that I lost. And also, I live in New York City. This city breaks your heart every damn day. You know? So, yes. That being said, I appreciate most of my heartbreaks. Because even though they were really devastating at the time, very often, it's brought me closer to someone or given me an aha moment or pushed me forward in a way. So while I don't wish to relive any of my heartbreaks, I also don't wish to unlive them.

Pete: Yeah. There's a song that I'm going to put in the Box O' Goodies, and the line I remember hearing about five years ago and it stuck with me, and that is that, "Beginnings always hide themselves in ends."

Jen: Mm-hmm.

Pete: And I think that is a great way to think about it. A heartbreak often feels like an end. And so, where's the beginning within that? I think is an interesting thing to look at. Mmm. Well, thank you, Absolutely Not. That was a deep question. Alright, there's a couple more. Okay, so we had the option of asking a question just for one of us. So there's a question just for you here, from Ayanna. "What is one thing about working on Broadway that you think actors would be surprised to know and/or should know?"

Jen: What is one thing about working on Broadway that I think actors would be surprised to know? I think actors would be surprised to know that working on Broadway is basically doing community theater with a budget. It is not that different than all of the other shows you've done. It's just, there's a lot more money, so everything gets to feel fancier and be "better". But it's all the same. It's all the same.

Pete: I love that answer. Isn't that like a great metaphor for so many things in life?

Jen: Right? Okay, Pete, here's one that is just for you. And this is going to be our last question of the moment. Are you ready?

Pete: I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready.

Jen: "When are you visiting the USA?"

Pete: Ah, it's almost like you teed this one up deliberately. I am excited to share with our listeners, I am visiting the USA in August.

Jen: Yes!

Pete: I'm coming back. I'm coming back. I'm going to be in Chicago from the 13th to the 17th of August, and New York City from the 17th of August to the 26th of August. So I'm hopefully going to see a bunch of you listening there, and I can't wait.

Jen: Yay! While Pete's in town, we are going to do a live podcast, which we will tell you about as it gets closer. So if you want to come and be in the room, and be a part of The Long and The Short Of It Live, you can join us. And listeners, that brings us to the end of the AUA episode, Ask us Anything. Throughout this time today, we have mentioned the Box O' Goodies multiple times. And if you are not yet a subscriber to the Box O' Goodies, this is our weekly email that we send out. It's not like typical show notes, where it summarizes what was in the episode. The Box O' Goodies is actually things that Pete and I think of after the episode.

Pete: Afterthoughts.

Jen: Right. It's our afterthoughts. So it's like, "Oh, we should have mentioned this TED talk, or this book, or this blog." And we've gotten so much great feedback from people who absolutely love getting the Box O' Goodies. So if you're not yet subscribed, Pete, how could they subscribe?

Pete: Oh, they can head over to thelongandtheshortpodcast.com. There's a little box where you enter your email, and then you are set. You'll get an email every single week with a link to the episode, but also to all of these wonderful goodies that we've thought of. And I guess the other thing, while we're here, is, if you have enjoyed one of the last two hundred episodes...

Jen: I hope? I hope at least one.

Pete: Yeah, it would be weird if you're still listening and you hadn't. And if you have, we would love it if you share it with a friend. We have never really talked about like, "Give us a review on Apple or Spotify." But like, I guess after two hundred episodes, if you want to give us a review on Apple or Spotify that would be great.

Jen: Yes. And please, please share an episode that you love with someone who you think would benefit from it. I know you hear it on everybody else's podcast too, the best way for people to find the show is for you to share it with them or to review the show. So, thank you in advance for doing that. We appreciate it. Pete, we did it.

Pete: We did. We did it. And we appreciate that. And we appreciate you, listeners. Even just tuning in, even listening to us once a week is wild to me that you are willing to dedicate twenty minutes of your week to listening to Jen and I try and make sense of a word or an idea or a topic or a struggle. So, I just thank you so much for tuning in. Thank you, Jen, for being an amazing co-host and getting me to Episode 200.

Jen: Oh my gosh. Thank you, Pete. Thank you, listeners. We did it. We did it, friends. Here we are, Episode 200. Tune in next week, for Episode 201.

Pete: And that is The Long and The Short Of It.